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		<title>Building A Network That Works With The MediaMVP</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[As I&#8217;ve mentioned in some of my earlier articles, you really don&#8217;t need a very powerful media server if you using the MediaMVP media extender with MVPMC firmware. For example, I&#8217;m able to use my MediaMVP to watch MythTv movies, Xvid AVI&#8217;s, and home movie&#8217;s stored as MPEG&#8217;s without putting much of a load on [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=tompurl.com&blog=3216699&post=7&subd=tompurl&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I&#8217;ve mentioned in some of my earlier articles, you really don&#8217;t need a very powerful media server if you using the <a href="http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_mediamvp.html" class="reference external">MediaMVP</a> media extender with <a href="http://www.mvpmc.org/" class="reference external">MVPMC</a> firmware.  For example, I&#8217;m able to use my <a href="http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_mediamvp.html" class="reference external">MediaMVP</a> to watch <a href="http://www.mythtv.org/" class="reference external">MythTv</a> movies, Xvid AVI&#8217;s, and home movie&#8217;s stored as MPEG&#8217;s without putting much of a load on my media server, even though it has slow disks, a 1.6 Ghz processor, and 512 MB of RAM. Once I had everything working in my &#8220;sandbox environment&#8221; (that is, every component was two feet away from every other component), I really thought that the &#8220;hard part&#8221; was over. All I had to was (queue ominous music) <b>set up the network</b>.</p>
<div class="document" id="streaming-video-over-your-home-network">The short version of this story is that I haven&#8217;t been able to set up a network that is fast enough for my needs yet. Continue reading for the gory details <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<div class="section" id="a-little-overview">
<h3>A Little Overview</h3>
<p>You might be wondering why networking is such a big deal with the <a href="http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_mediamvp.html" class="reference external">MediaMVP</a>.  You probably have a &#8220;Wireless G&#8221; network running in your home, and you probably never have any speed or bandwidth issues.</p>
<p>The problem is that, while a Wireless G network is great for surfing the web, <b>it&#8217;s typically not good enough to stream MPEG movies</b>.  I&#8217;ll explain why later in this article.  The total amount that you do need is debatable (and somewhat configurable in <a href="http://www.mvpmc.org/" class="reference external">MVPMC</a>), but according to the <a href="http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Network" class="reference external">Network page</a> on the <a href="http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php" class="reference external">MythTv wiki</a>, you should shoot for a 16 Mb/s connection for viewing standard definition (SD) videos. I&#8217;ve learned so far that, depending on what you&#8217;re viewing, you can get by on less bandwidth, but this appears to be a good number if you want to watch a variety of different SD video formats.</p>
<p>Basically, I need a way to &#8220;wire&#8221; the televisions in my living room and kitchen into my media server in my basement. The goal is to implement &#8220;networked television&#8221; so I can watch recorded television shows and home movies in a quick-and-easy fashion.</p></div>
<div class="section" id="why-isn-t-wireless-networking-an-option">
<h3>Why Isn&#8217;t Wireless Networking An Option?</h3>
<p><b>Everyone with whom I&#8217;ve spoken on this topic has told me to avoid streaming MPEG&#8217;s over a wireless network</b>.  I know this is only anecdotal evidence, but my friends who have tried this know a <i>lot</i> more about networking and hardware than I do.  I&#8217;m happy to benefit for their wasted time and effort <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Also, the network in my home <b>simply isn&#8217;t fast enough</b>.  I ran a few tests of my network using <a href="http://dast.nlanr.net/Projects/Iper" class="reference external">Iperf</a>, and found that I was only getting about <b>15Mb/s</b> of bandwidth on my wireless network.  This is actually pretty good, but probably less than what I need.</p>
<p>Another problem with wireless networks is that <b>they simply aren&#8217;t reliable</b>. One minute, you&#8217;re copying a large file at blinding speeds and, poof, your laptop loses it&#8217;s connection to the router. Why this happens is a mystery since I can&#8217;t look &#8220;under the hood&#8221; of my router, so I just live with the occasional flakiness. I could buy a better router, but my friends who have tried the same told me that it only improves the situation slightly. <b>No consumer-grade, wireless router seems to be immune from this problem</b>.</p>
<p>Finally, another big reason why I don&#8217;t want to stream big, honkin&#8217; MPEG&#8217;s over my wireless network is that <b>almost every other computer in my network also uses it</b>.  I <i>really</i> don&#8217;t want my wife&#8217;s laptop and my <a href="http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_mediamvp.html" class="reference external">MediaMVP</a> to be fighting for bandwidth.  I want them both to work quickly and easily.</div>
<div class="section" id="wired-networking-the-ideal-solution">
<h3>Wired Networking &#8211; The Ideal Solution?</h3>
<p>The obvious choice for me at first was wired networking.  It&#8217;s relatively cheap (this blog is about technology <i>and</i> frugality), it&#8217;s <i>very</i> fast, and it seemed like it would be pretty easy to install. I needed to wire two rooms on my main floor into my router in the basement. All I had to do (my favorite example of &#8220;famous last words&#8221;) was drop some CAT-5e (plain-old networking) cable from my main floor into the basement from two separate rooms. A real no-brainer, right?</p>
<p>Well, I guess it depends.  I <i>thought</i> that installation would be easy, but three and a half hours later, after making <b>no</b> progress whatsoever, I took a step back to re-evaluate my options.  Here&#8217;s what I came up with:</p>
<ol class="arabic simple">
<li>I <i>really</i> hate it when I spend a lot of time on a project and get nothing back in return. I&#8217;m not the busiest guy in the world, but I&#8217;m far too busy to be playing with a hobby for that long for no good reason. I really felt like I wasn&#8217;t valuing my free time, which is my most valuable asset.</li>
<li>One of the rooms simply couldn&#8217;t be wired for ethernet.  There was no non-evasive way for me to wire the room for ethernet.</li>
<li>The other room could be wired for ethernet, but it would involve more time and effort than I had in the short term, and it would require me to drill another hole in the wall. I prefer using existing holes for this sort of thing, <i>not</i> drilling new ones.</li>
</ol>
<p>Since frugality is about your use of time <b>and</b> money, I decided to exchange more of the latter for the former.  It was time to go back to the drawing board.</div>
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<h3>Powerline Networking &#8211; The Best Of Both Worlds?</h3>
<p>One of my friends who also happened to own a <a href="http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_mediamvp.html" class="reference external">MediaMVP</a>, also had trouble running ethernet cable in his house. He therefore decided to try out a <b>powerline networking kit</b>.  The kit includes two devices:  one that plugs into your <a href="http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_mediamvp.html" class="reference external">MediaMVP</a> using CAT-5e, and one that plugs into your router or switch. The two devices &#8220;talk&#8221; to each other (i.e. exchange networking packets) over the power network in your house.</p>
<p>This method of networking seemed <i>really</i> strange to me at first, but my friend said that it worked really well for him.  I therefore hopped on over to <a href="http://www.newegg.com/" class="reference external">Newegg</a> to get a second opinion, and, lo and behold, there seemed to be universal praise for these devices. I found multiple people on <a href="http://www.newegg.com/" class="reference external">Newegg</a> who used the devices to stream movies, and they all said that this form of networking was more than fast enough for their needs. I thought I had found the perfect solution.</p>
<p>I therefore ordered a <cite>ZyXEL PL-100KIT</cite> powerline networking kit from <a href="http://www.newegg.com/" class="reference external">Newegg</a>. It&#8217;s maximum stated bandwidth is 85 Mb/s, which is over 5 times more than what I required. Unfortunately, once I set up the networking kit and plugged everything in, I was only able to get between <b>4 and 6 Mb/s of bandwidth</b> according to <a href="http://dast.nlanr.net/Projects/Iper" class="reference external">Iperf</a> <i>and</i> <a href="http://www.mvpmc.org/" class="reference external">MVPMC</a>.  Not only was this <b>around 20% of my bandwidth goal</b>, it was <b>around 7% of the stated maximum</b>.</p>
<p>Now, believe it or not, I <i>was</i> actually able to view some content through my <a href="http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_mediamvp.html" class="reference external">MediaMVP</a>, even with the lackluster bandwidth.  I had the best results with <a href="http://www.mythtv.org/" class="reference external">MythTv</a> videos that had been recorded with my Hauppauge PVR-150. Those rarely fell out of sync, and when they did, you just needed to fast-forward a couple of seconds. Medium-quality Xvid AVI&#8217;s were watchable, but only after setting VLC&#8217;s video transcoding setting to &#8220;VCD&#8221;, which is barely watchable in my opinion. My home videos that I converted to MPEG&#8217;s are simply unwatchable.</p>
<p>I figured that <i>something</i> had to be wrong with my particular setup, since so many other people had stated that this model worked well with streaming video. I therefore tried tweaking my setup in the following ways:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p class="first"><b>Powerline Adapter Tweaks</b></p>
<ol class="arabic simple">
<li>Of course, I made sure that none of my powerline networking adapters were plugged into a powerstrip or surge protector.</li>
<li>I made sure that nothing else was plugged into the same outlet as my powerline adaptors.</li>
<li>I tried to plug the adapters into sockets that were in close proximity, even though they had to be on different floors.</li>
</ol>
<blockquote>
<ul class="simple">
<li>Some people recommend plugging the adapters into outlets on the same circuit, but I don&#8217;t believe that I have any circuits that span floors.</li>
</ul>
</blockquote>
</li>
<li>
<p class="first"><b>Router Tweaks</b></p>
<ol class="arabic simple">
<li>Changed my LAN network type option from &#8220;auto-negotiate&#8221; to &#8220;100 Mb/s&#8221;.</li>
<li>Updated my router&#8217;s firmware to the most current version</li>
</ol>
</li>
</ul>
<p>Unfortunately, none of these changes seemed to make a difference.  As of today, my <a href="http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_mediamvp.html" class="reference external">MediaMVP</a> works wonderfully with <a href="http://www.mvpmc.org/" class="reference external">MVPMC</a>, but I can barely use it due to my inadequate network.</div>
<div class="section" id="conclusion">
<h3>Conclusion</h3>
<p>When I started this project, I viewed it as a frugal way (again, both in time <b>and</b> money) to enable myself to watch recorded movies and television shows that are stored on my media server. In the end, I ended up <b>doubling</b> my financial budget and <b>tripling</b> my time budget for this project.</p>
<p>Based on all of my experiences so far, I can make the following recommendations:</p>
<ul class="simple">
<li><b>This Project Requires A Decent Amount Of Computer Knowledge</b>
<ul>
<li>I&#8217;m a systems administrator for a living, and I have a good number of friends who have done stuff like this before. These resources really save me a lot of time on these types of projects. If you don&#8217;t have these same resources, then this type of project will probably take you much more time and cause you much more aggravation.</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li><b>This Project Could Take You A Lot Of Time</b>
<ul>
<li>There are plenty of examples of people on the internet who have had no problem setting up an MediaMVP system with powerline networking. I&#8217;m living proof that the home network part of the puzzle doesn&#8217;t always work as well as advertised. Be prepared to spend a decent amount of time troubleshooting and configuring this type of system.</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
<p>I still see the MediaMVP as being a great device, and look forward to the day where it &#8220;just works&#8221;. For example, I&#8217;m already growing accustomed to watching my favorite daytime TV shows while I work in the kitchen at night, and the rest of my family really loves it too. Therefore, I&#8217;m going to continue trying to make things work with a powerline network, but I&#8217;m going to try a different brand. I&#8217;ve heard good things about the <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122166" class="reference external">Netgear XE103G</a> and <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833124096" class="reference external">Linksys PLK200</a> kits.  I&#8217;ll probably end up trying the Linksys kit for the following reasons:</p>
<ul class="simple">
<li>It has a higher theoretical maximum bandwidth (200 Mb/s compared to 85 Mb/s)</li>
<li>It&#8217;s basically the same price as the <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122166" class="reference external">Netgear XE103G</a></li>
<li>It received great customer reviews on both Amazon and Newegg</li>
<li>It received a <a href="http://reviews.cnet.com/bridges/linksys-plk200-powerline-av/4505-3304_7-32313519.html" class="reference external">good review from CNET</a></li>
</ul>
<p>I hope to get this part of my system working soon, and will share the results when I&#8217;m done.</p>
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